Some of the important relevant information can be found on Page 6 of the document which has plots for I-140 EB1 and EB-2 adjudications, including receipts and approvals for the Texas (TSC) and Nebraska (NSC) Service Centers. Report suggests that USCIS has experienced a slight downturn in EB-1 and EB-2 filings over the past five years for both EB-1 and EB-2 (note report does not include National Interest Waiver petitions), with approval and denial rates remaining consistent.
Key point to note here are -
- EB1-A and EB1-B has high rate of denial rate, around 40% to 60% respectively.
- EB2 I-140 approval rate is close to 100%
- Respective I-140 filings for each fiscal year 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011.
- EB1 majority demand comes from EB1-C and not from EB1-A and EB1-B. Those filings do not look enormous.
Table I |
We know from past analysis that usual break down of PERMs are 65%-35% for EB2-EB3 for India and China, and 50% for EB2-ROW-M-P. Based on this assumption and 100% approval rate, total I-140 demand for PERMs filed each fiscal year as follow.
Table II |
Table III |
- First of all data is based on PERM approvals and some of demand from past fiscal year will roll-over into current fiscal year I-140 demand due to time lag between approval of PERM and filing of I-140s
- Our assumption of 65% and 50% is flat and there may be a difference month to month.
- Please note NIW applicants do not have to file PERM and hence that difference in negated here.
This data comes from these articles
a) FY 2011 Q1-Q2 PERM data
b) FY 2011 Q3 PERM Approvals
c) FY 2011 Q4 PERM Approvals
Table IV |
Please note that from above table it is difficult to deduce EB2 I-140 Receipts of 39000 reported in DHS document. Our estimation only shows 21,034 receipts. This is still a mystery to us.
EB2-India & China demand based on Priority Date
To calculate this for now we can neglect the difference that we see in DHS I-140 Receipts data (Table II) and I-140 demand data from PERM approvals (Table III), then we can roughly estimate total EB2-IC I-140 demand for each fiscal year just by using Table II. In order to capture FY 2011 approvals for old priority dates, we will add EB2-IC demand for each fiscal year to respective approvals in FY 2011. Based on above calculations, estimate for EB2-IC I-140 demand is (in red)
Table V |
Some key points to note
- I-140 Receipt demand will always lag PERM Approval times.
- Difference between 29000 - 27588 = 1412 from Table II and Table III can account for some demand before October 2007.
- It is assumed that most of the cases for certain priority date is approved in same fiscal year, so total demand upto end of FY 2010 will be same but real numbers for each PD may be off depending upon PERM approval time within that fiscal year.
- These calculations do not consider any abandon cases due to individuals leaving country, getting lay-offed or re-filing due to long audit processing time, multiple PERM factors or double filings within a family. You can assume anything from 65%-85% for this as a multiple PERM factor.
- This data does not consider any EB3-EB2 portings.
- You can multiply this demand by 2.0 to 2.25 based on dependent factor to get estimate of I-485 demand.
To above numbers you can add 8000 visa numbers that was approved for this fiscal year. Also add demand from August 2007-September 2007 plus 4000-5000 PWMBs overall and then based on your estimation of spillover calculate cut-off date on retrogression.
My take will be the option Multiple PERM factor of 75%.
EB2-IC demand , August-September 2007 from PERM data = 4,000
All PWMBs = 4,500
EB2-IC Approvals for backlogged cases = 8,000
Demand until Sep 2008 = 25,233
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Total I-485 Demand upto September 2008 = 41,733
Spillover + annual limit expected at most can be around 28,000
Cut-off Dates for this year can hover around March-June 2008 after retrogression for the best scenario.
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CM,
so in a nutshell what does it mean?
Thanks,
Abc
In nutshell it means that if there is big movement next VB it can bring lot of demand and I do not see dates to move past into 2010 this year. Crossing 2009 means 36k-50k ready demand excluding demand from FY 2007. Cut-off dates for this year will be around March-June 2008 after retrogression.
PD I485 Demand based 2.25 family size & Multiple PERM factor
65%. 75%. 85%
2008. 21868. 25233. 28596
2009. 15563. 17958. 20352
CM,
What's your prediction for EB2I in next bulletin ?
So the conclusion is that a big move can be expected in the next VB?
I think it would go to end of FY 2009 during 2012 and priority dates would remain in FY 2009 even after retrogression.
Updated particle to make table interpretation and I-485 demand more obvious.
Big movement in Feb VB bulletin will be at the discretion of DOS only if they are not looking at filing rates or January filings are not high for first week or they want to build inventory for FY 2013 also to avoid aggressive movement each fiscal year. Other than that there is no need for making cut off dates advancement just for FY 2012. I-140 demand clearly suggests current movement is enough to sustain demand for this year.
Movement for next VB I doubt will be big but can be anywhere from 3-6 months.
Dates can progress into 2009 for building some inventory but by no means will stay there on retrogression. Even if you consider one I-485 application per one I-140 then also demand cannot be satisfied by spillover of 25k.
Hi- Very good and comprehensive analysis. I agree to most of what you said. But I did some really simple back of envelope calculations and it shows that the dates at end of fiscal year 2012 should be around March 2009.
Here is the basis- First of all DHS data is for eb1+eb2 for entire world which accounts for about 80,000 green cards per year.
Lets assume 100% approval rates for I-140 and lets ignore eb3 to eb2 porting. Lets take 2 as multiplier factor on each application.
This means following is the I 485 demand for entire world-
Year # of i-140 I485
2008 29,000 58,000
2009 19,000 38,000
2010 38,000 76,000
2011 39,000 78,000
Lets assume all the backlog prior to FY 2008 is clear. In FY 2012 about 80,000 i-485's an be approved (Eb1+Eb2). This would be sufficient to cover entire FY 2008 and about half of FY 2009 (assuming applications are filed in equal numbers every month).
80,000=58000+0.5*38000 (Approx). So at the end of FY 2012 (Sept 2012)the priority date of march 2009 should be current and at end of FY 2013 (Sept 2013) the priority date of around July 2010 should be current.
too lazy to read?
CM,
Thanks for your logical predictions. Kindly advise on the following.
My wife will be applying for H1 to H4 COS third week of Jan since her job will come to end on Jan 21st 2012. My PD is Feb 13 2009. In case my pd becomes current, will I be able to file I-485 for my wife while her H1 to H4 COS is pending.
Thanks in advance.
Hi, my wife is planning to upgrade from EB3 to EB2 but with the same employer. She is changing Programmer Analyst title to Project Manager. She has total of 5yrs of experience including 3 yrs with the current employer. Do you think this will work? Can you please suggest.
The DHS Link you gave does not work, it does go to the DHS website but says "page not found"
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cisomb-rec_extraordinaryability_petitions.pdf
Thanks Reddy
Demand data is released http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf
New demand data released will it effect anyway in feb 2012 predictions.what is demand data mean
Good news : Feb VB has been released. EB 2 - 1/1/2010 http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5640.html
Hello CM,
My Priority date is EB2 I July 27th, 2009. It became current in Feb 2012 bulletin. I have travel plans out of country form Mid Jan to First week of March. Is there a chance of retrogression in March, so I can change my travel plans and be back in Feb to file for AOS or is it safe bet to still file in March.
I do have an option to monitor March VB and change my travel.
EB2 India has moved to JAN 1st 2010 in FEB 2012 VISA BULLETIN!!!
After seeing Feb 2012 VB today, my analysis that priority dates would remain in first of half of FY 2009 even after retrogression becomes more valid.
Hi CM, Feb 2012 Bulletin is just released with EB2 India PD 1st Jan2010, sounds very aggressive. What is your take on that?
Based on this, it doesn't look like Indians really need HR 3012.
Why you always compare EB3-ROW with EB2-IC.
EB2 is totally different than EB3 and EB2-ROW is still current. Let's not again start your frustration on HR 3012 in other article like this.
These are the scenario's we DID NOT take into account when we tried to project the future demand in the past year or so...
Scenario 1: Many Immigrant (Indians & Chinese Included) lost their jobs since the 2008 recession and went back home. These were people who already had their LC & I-140 approved but could not find alternate jobs!
Scenario 2: Like before, many thousands also lost their jobs BUT somehow managed to find a job with another company. These folks had to restart their LC & I-140 process and are still waiting to get it approved. As we know the LC process sometimes takes even a whole year to get approved and if you have an RFE....forget about it!
These are the folks who HAVE NOT showed up when their PD's got current in the last year or so. I feel sorry about this in a way, but if it wasn't for this - I wouldn't have had my number called!.
Thanks for your work on this projection numbers, a truly great effort to quantify something that I thought was intangible. I thought Oppenheimer had dart board in the restroom that he played to select the PD date every month while taking a dump.
At the end of the day......life moves on, no matter what! :)
Kanichuwa Bitches
I am following your post for a long time. Earlier you used to be correct but in the last six months your prediction has not lived up to expectation for at least India in EB2 category ?
Question on Pending I-485 inventory report:
The numbers in the report, what do they mean exactly? If there are 100 pending for say June 2005 EB3I, what does that mean?
1) there are 100 pending applications (including primary applicants and their dependents)
2) there are 100 pending primary applications (excluding dependents)
yes she can apply for COS. AOS is different from COS. When filing AOS or if AOS is pending, it does not have any affect on COS application.
If you will go through good lawyer they can handle this very well. For porting from EB3 to EB2, progressive experience can be used as long as job description are different. I would not think twice about filing.
It may be too late to reply on this comment but you should monitor March VB that will be released in first week of February and then play it by ear.
Unless Pre July 2007 approval from the month of October or November filings came from previous year quota, it is less likely that dates would remain in first half of FY 2009 for this year. HR 3012 is exception. Since DOS announced that quota was over around 15th September 2011 for FY 2011, dates will atleast retrogress to June 2008.
Scenarios that you outlined could be true but still we have a long way to go to postulate this theory. Thinking that total Multiple Factor taking into account those who abandoned the case is more than 60% is futile. Those who became current last year are still getting approvals. If you look at trackitt approvals on a daily basis, you will see that there are always one or two approvals from pre july 2007 PD every other day. Your number had been called because USCIS is not efficient in processing applications or even communicating filing rates accurately. As of now I am not ready to believe that those who left US or even refiled PERMs are more than 40%. We will know more once dates will retrogress. This is when we can really go back and say confidently that there is significant drop-outs but for now live in the moment. This is a good opportunity to file EAD/AP and concentrate on their future. All I can say is just because one had been called for interview does not guarantee them the job. Positions open are always limited.
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